through education and creating a social health safety net, i think we can meet the challenge. that is one of the things i will certainly be involved and as i leave the congress to try to broaden the debate to look at this at a way that is compassionate and at the same time not blaming ourselves but recognizing that we have a culture that is very violent and affects americans at every level. and if we address that in a systematic way through organized approach using resources and assets at all levels of government, i think we can find a way to change from where we are today with this dismal record of one shooting after another and all the innocent people and public servants being under attack. >> congressmember kucinich, thank you for being with us. dennis kucinich, eight-term congress member from ohio, serving his last because a member of congress. we look forward to talking to you in your new capacity, whenever that will be. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. when we come back, we look at the wilmington 10. why are so many c